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Charlemagne, King of the Franks, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire (b 04.742/7, d 28.01.814)§A
m1. (766) Himiltrude 
1. Pippin 'the hunchback' (b 767, d 811/3)
m2. (770, div 771) Gerperga ('Desideria') (d 776, dau of Didier/Desidarius, King of the Lombards)
m3. (771) Hildegarde of Vinzgau (b 757, d 30.04.783/4, dau of Gerold I von Vinzgau by Imma of Allemannia)
2. Charles, King of the East Franks, King of Neustria, Duke of Ingelheim (b 772, d 04.12.811)
  m. Juliana of Ingelheim (dau of Roland of Ingelheim)
The following descent, which is reported by 'Mathematical', is unlikely to be secure but is shown for its interest value. If it is true then Rowland of Neustria was most probably illegitimate as otherwise he would probably have played a more widely recorded role in the development of Europe.
  A. Rowland of Neustria (b c805)
  i. Godfrey of Neustria (b c845)
  a. Baldwin I of Blois (b c885)
  (1) Baldwin II of Blois (b c925)
  (A) John de Conteville of Tonsburgh, Earl of Comyn (b c969/979)
GHJRSWY
3. Pepin I, originally named Carloman, King of Italy and the Lombards (b 773, d 08.07.810)
  m1. (795) Bertha of Toulouse (dau of William, Count of Autun and Toulouse)
  A. Adelheid or Adelaide (b c798, d c810)
  m. Gui I, Duke of Spoleto (d 860/6, son of Lambert of Nantes)
  B.+ other issue (d by 813) - Athalia (Atala), Gudrade (Gundrada), Berthaide (Bertha), Theodrade (Tetrada) 
  One of these daughters married as follows:
  m. Lambert of Nantes (d 01.09.836)
  m2. Chrothais/Theitrade/Gondres (b 780, dau of Bernhard)
  Various sources show that Pepin's son's mother was Bertha of Toulouse but Wikipedia reports that he was illegitimate. 
  partner unknown
  F. Bernard I, King of Italy and the Lombards (b c797, d 17.08.818)
  m. (8713) Cunegonde of Laon (b by 796, a 06.835)
  i. Pepin II Quentin, Count of Vermandois, Senlis et Peronne (b 817, a 840)
  a. Herbert I, Count of Vermandois, Senlis et Peronne (b c849, d by 11.907)
m. Bertha de Morvois or Leidgardis
  (1) Beatrix de Vermandois (b 880, a 931)
EGHJRSWY
  m. Robert I, King of France (b 866, d 15.06.923)
EGHJRSWY
  (2) Berengar, Count de Bayeaux et Senlis
EGHJRSWY
  The descent from Berengar is not fully secure and is to be reviewed.
  m. daughter of Gurvand, Duke of Brittany
EGHJRSWY
  (3) Herbert II, Count of Vermandois et Troyes (b 884, d 23.02.943)
  m. (by 907) Adela or Hildebrande of France (b 895, d 931, dau of Robert I, King of France)
  (A) Eudes, Count of Amiens et Vienne (b 9410, d 946)
  (B) Adele de Vermandois (b c912, d 10.10.960)
EGHJRSWY
  m. (934) Arnulf I, Count of Flanders (b c889, d 27.03.964)
EGHJRSWY
  (C) Herbert, Count de Meaux (b c911)
  (D) Luitgarde de Vermandois (b c914, d 09.02.978)
GHJSWY
  m. (c944) Theobald 'le Tricheur', Count of Blois et Chartres & Tours (b 910, d 975)
GHJSWY
  (E) Adalbert, Count de Vermandois (b c916)
  m. (by 954) Gerberge of Lorraine (b c935, d 978, dau of Giselbert, Duke of Lorraine)
Ve32 Herbert III, Count of Vermandois et Troyes (b 953, d 1015)
  m. (c 998) Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine (b 946, a 1035)
  Ve31=29 Otto, Count de Vermandois (b 979, d 25.05.1045)
  m. Pavia
  Ve30=28 Herbert IV, Count de Vermandois (b 1028, d 1080)
  m. Adele de Valois (b 1032, d 1080, dau of Raoul III, Count de Valois)
  Ve29=27 Adelaide de Vermandois (b 1050, d 1124)
GHJRSWY
  m. Hugh I 'le Grand' de Crepe, Count de Vermandois et de Valois (b 1057, d 18.10.1101)
GHJRSWY
  Ve30-2 Eudes I, Count de Ham (a 1032)
; Ve30-3 Peter de Vermandois Peter is reported to have been father of Herbert, Chamberlain to William II of England.
Ve30-3-1 Herbert of Winchester b 1060 in Winchester, Hampshire, England d 1130 in England m 3 Emma de Blois b 1075
Ve30-3-1-1 Herbert FitzHerbert m Sibyl Corbet b 1077 d 1157 mistress of King Henry I
Ve30-3-1-1-1 Herbert FitzHerbert b 1130 in Gloucestershire, d 1204 in Blewleveny Castle, Blaen Llyfni, Crecknockshire, Wales m 1175 Lucy de Gloucester (Fitzmiles/Fitzwalter) b 1136 d 1220 -1 Piers FitzHerbert b 1166 in Blewleveny Castle, Blaen Llyfni, Crecknockshire, d 01 Jun 1235 in Reading, Berkshire m Nov 1203 in Clavering Essex Alice Fitz Roger de Warkworth b 1185 d 1225 -1-1 Reginald/Reynold FitzPiers b 1208 in Blaen Llyfni, Brocknockshire d 5 May 1286 in Barony Curry Malet, Somerset m1 bef 1249 Alice/Amice de Stanford m2 bef 1274 in Herefordshire Joan De Vivonne/Viviona b 1251 d 1 Jun 1314 dau of William de Fortibus de Vivonia b Somerset c 11219 d 1259 and Matilda de Ferrers
m
-1-1-1 Peter Herbert b 1252 in Hertfordshire d 18 Nov 1322 in Hertfordshire m 1279 Alice Brokengreen b 1253 -1-1-1-1 Reginald Herbert b 1268 in Hertfordshire d 1307 m Alice Broadspeare b 1269 -1-1-1-1-1 Adam Herbert b 1284 in Llanllowel, Monmouthshire d 1345 in Wernddu, Monmouthshire m 1300 in Wernddu Christian verch Gwaring b 1277 d 1365 -1-1-1-1-1-1 Jenken Herbert b 1301 in Raglan Castle, Monmouthshire d 1344 in Wernddu Monmouthshire m 1326 in Wernddu Gwenlian Verch Aran/Aron b 1305 d 1332 -1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Guillem Herbert b 1330 in Wernddu, Monmouthshire d Bet. 1377 - 1390 in Perth Hir, Monmouthshire m 1360 in Cefnyddwyglwyd Monmouthshire Gwenlian Verch Hywel/Howel b 1340
  Ve32-2 Gui (a 988) 
  m. Adelaide de Soissons (d 1047)
(a) Aelis de Soissons 
  m. Nocher II de Bar-sur-Aube (a 1019)
  (F) Robert de Vermandois, Count of Meaux et Troyes (b c918, d 29.08.968)
  m. Adelais de Vergy (b 914, d 967, dau of Giselbert of Burgundy)
  (i) Herbert, Count of Vermandois et Troyes confused with Herbert shown above as his cousin ?
  (a) Adele de Vermandois
  m. Gauthier de Valois (son of Gauthier de Valois by Adele de Dreux)
  (ii) Adelaide de Vermandois (b 934, d 982)
EGHJRSWY
  m1. (07.12.954) Lambert de Chalons
  m2. (979) Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou (b 938, d 987)
EGHJRSWY
  (G) Hugh de Vermandois, Abbot of Reims (b 920, d 962)
  (4) Sprota of Bretagne
EGHJRSWY
  p. William 'Longsword', Count of Rouen, Duke of Normandy (b c900, d 17.12.942)
EGHJRSWY
  m. Asperling de Vaudreuil of Ivry
  (A) Ralph, Count of Ivry (b 944)
Ralph is confirmed by TCP (Hereford) as having been a half-brother, through his mother, of Richard I, Duke of Normandy. TCP (Lovel of Titchmarsh) identifies his wife as ...
  m. Aubree
  (i) Hugh d'Ivry, Bishop of Bayeux (b 980) probably father of ...
  (a) Aubree de Bayeux (b 1015)
  m1. (c1035) Robert of Ivry (a 1060)
  m2. Albert de Cravent
  (ii) John d'Ivry, Bishop of Avranches, Archbishop of Rouen identified on various web sites 
  (iii) Emma of Ivry 
HJRY
  m. Osbern (Steward of Normandy)
HJRY
  (5) daughter (b c882, d 12.12.949)
  m. (by 918) Eudo von Wetterau (d 02.12.949)
b. Bernard II (b c845, d by 892)
  c. Pepin I, Count of Senlis
  (1) Herbert
  (2) Bernard, Count of Senlis
  (A) Adele, Countess of Senlis
GHJRSWY
  m. (c 989) Gauthier II de Vexin
GHJRSWY
  d. Adelheid
  m. Lambert, King of Italy (d 898)
  e. Papia (Poppa) of Senlis
EGHJRSWY
Poppa, wife of Rollo 'the Ganger', is sometimes wrongly identifed as daughter of Berengar, Count of Bayeux and Senlis, who is shown above as a nephew of this Poppa.
  m. (886) Rollo 'the Ganger' Ragnvaldson of Normandy (b 870, d 932)
EGHJRSWY
4. Louis I 'the Fair' or 'the Pious', King of Aquitaine, Holy Roman Emperor (b 778, d 20.06.840)
  m1. (798) Ermengarde of Hesbaye (b c778, d 03.10.818, dau of Ingeramme, Count of Hesbaye, and Hedwig of Bavaria)
  A. Alpais (b c794,a 852) not mentioned by Wikipedia 
EGHJRSWY
  m. Beggo, Count of Paris (d 816)
EGHJRSWY
B. Lothar I, Holy Roman Emperor (d 29.09.855)
  m1. Thionville (b 800, d 20.03.851) 
  i. Louis II, King of Italy, Emperor of the East Franks (b c822, d 12.08.875)
  m. (855) Engelburge of Alsace (di Spoleto, b by855, d 890)
  a. Gisele (b c853, d by 04.868)
  b. Irmengarde or Ermengarde (b c859, d c896)
EGHJRSWY
  m. (876) Boson, King of Lower Burgundy (Provence and Aquitaine) (d 19.02/12.887)
EGHJRSWY
  ii. Ermengarde or Irmgard (b 830, a 849)
EGHJRSWY
  m. (846) Giselbert II von Maasgau, Count of Hainault (b 830, d 892)
EGHJRSWY
iii. Lothar II, King of Lotharingia / Lorraine (b c830, d 08.08.869)
  m1. (855, div 857/862) Teutberge de Arles (d before 25.11.875, dau of Boso, Count of Turin/Valois)
  a. Hugo, Duke of Els (b c855/860, d 895)
  m2. (15.10.862) Walrada (b c836, a 868)
  b. Bertha (b 866, d 08.03.924/5)
EGHJRSWY
  m1. (879) Theodebert, Count of Arles / Provence (b c860, d 895)
EGHJRSWY
  m2. (898) Adalbert II, Marquis of Tuscany (b 855, d 19.09.915)
EGHJSWY
  c. Gisela (b c860/865, a 01.908)
GS
  m. Godefrey the Dane
GS
  d. Irmgard (d c900)
  iv. Charles, King of Burgundy/Provence (b c845, d 24.01.863)
  v. Hiltrud (b c826, d 865-6)
  m. Berengar di Spoleto
  vi. Rotrud (b c840)
  m. Lambert II de Nantes
  vi.+ other issue - Berta (b c830, a 05.852), Gisela (b c830, a 05.856)
  m2. Doda (a 06.855)
  ix. Karloman (b 853)
  m3. name unknown 
  C. Pepin I, King of Aquitaine (b 797/803, d 13.12.833/838)
  m. (822) Ingeltrude (a 03.836, dau of Theodebert, Count of Madrie)
  i. Pepin II, King of Aquitaine (b c824, d 864)
ii. Charles, Arbishop of Mainz (b c827, d 04.06.863)
  iii. Berthe
  m. (839) Gerard, Duke of Aquitaine (d 841)
  iv. daughter
  m. Rather, Count of Limoges
  D. Rotrude (b 800, d c841)
EGHJRSWY
  m1. Gerard I, Count of Auvergne (b c795, d 25.06.841)
EGHJRSWY
  m2. Rather de Limoges
  E. Hildegarde/Matilda, Abbess of Laon (b c802, d 841)
  m. Gerard I, Count of Auvergne (b c795/800, d 25.06.841)
  F. Louis II 'the German', King of Bavaria, Holy Roman Emperor (b c 804, d 28.08.876)
  m. (827) Hemma von Altdorf (a 818, d 31.01.876, dau of Welf)
  i. Karloman, King of Bavaria and Italy (b by 828, d 09.880)
  m1. Liutswinde
  a. Arnulf, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor (b c850, d 08.12..899)
  m. Oda of Bavaria
  (1) Zwentibold (d 900)
  m. (c897) Oda (either Oda of Paris, dau of Eudes, Count of Paris, or Oda of Saxony)
  (2) Louis IV 'das kind', King of the East Franks (b 893, d 24.09.911)
  (3) Hedwige
  m2. ? von Nordgau
  ii. Louis III, King of Saxony, Thuringia and Franconia (b c830, d 20.01.881/2)
  m. Liutgard of Saxony
  a.+ other issue - Louis (b c877, d 879), Hildegard (b 878/881, d 895/931)
  partner unknown
  c. Hugo (b c850, d 880)
  iii. Charles III 'the Fat', King of the Franks, Holy Roman Emperor (b 839, d 13.01.888)
  m. (862) Richardis (d c900, dau of Count Erchanger)
a. Karloman (d 876)
  partner unknown 
  b. Bernard (b 881/2, d 891)
  iv. Gisela
  m. Erchanger I of Swabia
  v+. other issue - Hildegard (b 828, d 23.12.856), Irmgard (d 16.07.866), Berta (d 26.03.877)
  m2. (819) Judith von Altdorf (b 800, d 19.04.843, dau of Welf)
  G. Gisele (b c819, d 01.07.876)
EGHJRSWY
  m. (836) Everhard, Margrave of Friuli (b c820, d 16.12.866)
EGHJRSWY
  H. Charles II 'the Bald', King of the West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor (b 823, d 06.10.877)
  m1. (14.12.842) Ermentrude (b c825, d 06.10.869, dau of Eudes I, Count of Orleans)
  i. Judith (b 844, a 870)
EGHJRSWY
  m1. (01.10.856) Aethelwulf, King of Wessex (b c806, d 17.06.857)
  m2. (858, div 1860) Aethelbald, King of Wessex (d 860)
  m3. (862) Baldwin I, Count of Flanders (b c837/840, d 879)
EGHJSRWY
  ii. Louis II 'the Stammerer', King of the Franks (b 01.11.846, d 10.04.879)
  m1. (862, repudiated 866) Ansgarde (d 87, dau of Hardouin, Count of Burgundy)
  a. Louis III, King of East Franks, Emperor (b 864, d 05.08.882)
  b. Karloman, King of West Franks, Emperor (b 866, d 12.884)
  c.+ other issue - Hildegarde, Gisele (d by 884)
  m2. (sp) Luitgarde of Saxony 
m3. (c868) Adelaide (b 850-60, d c18.10.900, dau of Beggen/Adalhard, Count of Paris)
  e. Charles III 'the Simple', Holy Roman Emperor (b 17.09.897, d 07.10.929)
  m1. (907) Frederuna (d 916/7)
  (1) Frederune
  m. (c930) Wichman von Stubennkorn (dsp)
  (2) Gisela
  m. (912, sp) Rollo 'the Ganger' Ragnvaldsson, Duke of Normandy (b 846, d 932)
  (3)+ other issue - Irmtrude, Adelaide
  m2. (918/9) Eadgifu (b c900, d 951/5, dau of Edward, King of England)
  (5) Louis IV 'd'outre mer', Emperor (b 10.09.921, d 10.09.954)
  m. (939/40) Gerpirga (Gerberge) of Saxony (b 925, d 05.05.984, dau of Henry of Saxony, King of Germany)
  (A) Lothar IV, King of West Franks (b 941, d 02.03.986)
  m. (966) Emma of Italy (b c948, d 988, dau of Lothar II, King of Italy)
  (i) Louis V 'le Faineant', Emperor (b 967, d 987)
m1. (c977) Blanche d'Auvergne (d c980)
  m2. (981/2, div 984) Adelaide d'Anjou (b c942, d 1026)
  (ii) Eudes (a 986, a canon in Reims)
  (B) Charles of Laon, Duke of Lower Lorraine (b 953, d 22.06.991/4)
  m1. (c973) Agnes de Vermandois (b c955, d 983, dau of Heribert de Vermandois)
  (i) Adelaide or Ermentrude (b 970/975, d 1019)
GHJSWY
  m. (c990) Albert I, Count of Namur (d by 1011)
GHJSWY
  (ii) Gerberge de Lorraine (b 977, a 01.1018)
EGHJRSWY
  m. (c 990) Lambert I, Count de Louvain (b c950, d 12.09.1015)
EGHJRSWY
  m2. (by 979) Bonne Adelaide (possibly dau of Ricuinus, Duke on the Moselle)
  (iii) Eudes, Duke of Lower Lorraine (b after 985, d 1012)
  (iv)+ other issue - Charles (b 989), Louis (b after 989, d c995)
  (C) Mathilde (b c943, d 982/991)
GHJSWY
  m. (c964) Conrad, King of Burgundy (b c925, d 10.10.993)
GHJSWY
(D)+ other issue - Karloman (b 945, d c953), Louis (b 948, d 954), Henri (b/d 953) 
  (6) Rociro of Laon, bishop
  f. Ermentrude (b 870/5)
  iii. Charles 'the child', King of Aquitaine (d 847/8, d 29.09.865/6)
  m. (862, div 1863) Witwe (widow of Count Humbert) 
  iv.+ other issue - Karloman (b c849, d 876, abbot), Lothar (b c847, d by 12.865, abbot), Ermentrude (b c854, a 877, abbess), Hildegard (b c856), Gisele (b c858, d 01.07.874), Rotrude (b 862, d by 911, abbess)
  m2. (22.01.870) Richildis (d 910/914/920, dau of Budwin of Metz)
  x. Rothaut (b c870)
  m. Hughes, Count of Bourges (b c862, d 892)
  a. Richildis de Bourgues (b 892)
  m. Thibaut, Viscount de Tours, Count de Blois (d c942)
xi. Rothilde of Neustria (b c871, d 22.03.928)
  m. Roger of Maine (d 31.10.900)
  xii.+ other issue - Drogo (b 872/3, d 873/4), Pippin (b 872/3, d 873/4), Hersent of Lorraine (b c870), Charles (b 10.10.876, d 877)
  I. Adelaide (b 824, a 866)
  m. Robert, Duke of France (b 820, d 866)
  partner unknown (may be legitimate)
  J. Arnulf de Sens (b c790, a 816)
5. Rotrude (b c775, d 810)
  m. Rorico or Rociron de Rennes, Count of Maine (d c832)
6. Bertha (b 779/780, d 826)
EHGJRSWY
  m. (787) Augilbert 'the Saint' (b c750, d 18.02.814)
EHGJRSWY
7.+ other issue - Lothar (b 778, d 780), Adelaide (b 774, d 774), Gisela (b by 781, c800), Hildegarde (b 08.06.782, d 783)
m4. (783) Fastrada (d 10.08.794, dau of Rodolfo III, Count of Franconia)
11. Theodrada (b c785, d 09.01.844, abbess of Argenteuil)
12. Hiltrude (b c787, d c800)
m. Richwin di Padua
  A.. Ricbodo (b c800, d 14.06.844)
m5. (794) Luitgarde (dsp 04.06.800)
p1. Gersuinda or Gerswinde of Saxony
13. Adeltrude or Adaltrude (b 1774) 
p2. Madelgarde
14. Ruodhaid or Rothilde (b 1775, d 810/24.03.852, abbess of Faremoutiers)
p3. Regine
15. Drogo, Bishop of Metz (b 17.06.801, d 08.12.855)
16. Hugues (b 794/802/806, d 14.06.844, abbott, archchancellor of the Holy Roman Empire)
  A. Petronilla (b 825)
EGHJRSWY
  m. Tertulle, Count of Anjou (a 821)
EGHJRSWY
p4. Ethelind or Adelinde
17. Theorerich/Dietrich (b 807, a 819)
p5. unknown not mentioned by Wikipedia 
18. Hruodhaid (b c784, d c800)

Main sources:
(1) 'Royal Geneaolgies', HOLDT, GenEU (Carolin1)
(2) Debrett's '"Kings and Queens of Europe".
(3) For the children & various grandchildren of Charlemagne : Wikipedia
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